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WWII Chinese Army 1937 by darthpandanl WWII Chinese Army 1937 by darthpandanl
This is a comic drawing of a Chinese army officer as in the Battle of Shanghai 1937.

He wears a German 1935 model steel helmet and a stansard National army light cotton uniform in light khaki. He is armed with German made Mauser pistol.

He is part of National Chinese army, 88th Division a German-trained reorganised division of the National Revolutionary Army

The Division suffer heavy casualty during the battle of Shanghai and later decimated in the last defense of the Capital Nanking.
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Hope you like it.
Cheers!
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Nuker850 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 26, 2017
Very nice! Glad to know that people still knew the early chinese troops that fought the Japs in Shanghai and Nanking/Nanjing, sad they were annihilated by the overwhelming Japanese invasion.
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thesketchydude13 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
German gear with jap ranks...never thought it was possible until I did research on the Vickers light tank...then found the Kuomintang (who used them) and then finally their uniforms...really strange way to find this stuff eh? :XD: (by the way...what were those tags on their left side chest pocket for?)
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Id tag
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thesketchydude13 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
huh...never knew that till now :D
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Theterrablade198 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Germans  in Chinese history never fought in it.

Good job tho
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
? These are Chinese in German style equipment.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
sorry? what do you meant?
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Theterrablade198 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Germans never fought there.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes, but the 88th division of Chinese army was trained buy the Germans.
more information please read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
or:
zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E5%9B%…
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Theterrablade198 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Germans never fought in China.
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Nuker850 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 26, 2017
Yes, the Germans never fought in China, but there were a few HilterJugend and SA that stayed in China for a while. Until the relations and cooperations between China and Germany ended in 1941. They did send a few German advisors to help train the Chinese army, giving them Stahlhelms and Chinese-variant of German weapons and equipment, including the Kar98k, Mauser C96 and Pz. I light tank. The example of German-trained units of China, as stated previously by darthpanda, is the 88th division.
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LiHongzhang Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2014
A great picture who's above controversy illustrates the propaganda and misconceptions of China in WW2.I plan to visit Taiwan while I'm here in Asia and pay my respects to Chiang Kai-Shek and visit the KMT army museum(s) there. Having done an intense amount of study on the period I must say that the Nationalists got the short end of the deal, while Mao and the communists rode in on their coattails. By 1945 the KMT had sacrificed so much to keep China whole and in the fight that there wasn't much left to fight the Communists, who had hidden and used their time to prepare for the post war fight.

'The Japanese are a disease of the skin, the communists are a disease of the heart' 
Chiang Kai Shek


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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good point!!!!
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Captain-Varro Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome drawing. :+fav: I've recently read a great book about the Battle of Shanghai so this image really caught my interest. :)
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Lord-Vanaduke Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol, the most of the Nationalist soldiers had really low morale and patriotism. The communist militia did a lot of their dirty work for em vs the Japanese.

But great job lol.
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012
Pathetic fool who lives on the fat paycheck of your Commie sugar daddies, I am here to enlighten your pitiful mind.

Here’s another thing you need to know about the Chinese Communists during WW2. During the 8 years of war (1937 ~ 1945), the Communists only lost two general officers during the war. Zuo Quan左權 and Peng Xuefeng彭雪楓. Gen. Zuo was KIA in 1942. However, Peng was “killed in action” during engagement against Col. Li Guangming 李光明’s units which was under General Han Deqing 韓德勤’s 24th Army. Yes, you read it right. Peng deliberately did “Blue on Blue” against the Republic/National forces who were engaging the Japanese.

On the other hand, the Republic of China (or Nationalist China) lost over 100 general officers including Marshal of the air force Gao Zhihang高志航 and Captain of the flagship “Yat-sen” Admiral Sa Shijun 薩師俊. The war pretty much wiped out a generation of our finest people and this made the post-war reconstruction even harder. Keep in mind that the modern Chinese education system only established for 40 years and losing this many fine people put a huge dent on the social structure.

I can name more KIA high ranking officer (Colonel and higher) Republic of China for you. 佟麟閣, 張自忠, 趙登禹, 謝晉元 and so much more. Stop insulting our forefathers with your idiocy. Perhaps you already forsaken our forefathers and ancestors.
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RTJDudek Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
All the commies are like that - they falsify history.
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
I know, look at that sad little commie bastard hide in his cubble little hole.
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RTJDudek Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
He is only one of many examples, that prove the rule.

I have seen more ridiculous wannabe commies here; they consider themselves as "proud slaves of the communist system", yet they lack humbleness of such slaves.

Such as :icongodofwarlover: , who claims the best idea to protect the freedom of speech is to violate that freedom [link] . Apart from believing in step backwards in civilization, which is regime impossible to be implied ("...primitive communism which he states that all tribal people, including early man would be considered communists or socialist in a way... " ), this guy proves having own opinion is too much for him (" all the other CPDA members hate ACTA and SOPA ") - I would ask him, if the CPDA members ordered him to commit suicide for the glory of communism, would he obey them, but he blocked me.

About time those commie bastards gave up LSD and started to behave like normal people do.
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013
Double standard my friend. That's what they are thrived upon and the Far Left scare me more than Far Right because their double standard is so thick that it forms a nearly impenetrable wall of shameless-ness.
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RTJDudek Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've been observing those red double-faces since 2007 and couple of things make me wonder about them:

1) most of the red parasites here are corrupted European and American radical leftists, though we could rather expect people from countries with communist traditions ( former USSR and former Warsaw Pact members );

2) despite the mainstream communism focuses on integrity of its cripple-minded supporters, cultists of Stalin active here differ in points of views ( I've gathered plenty of evidence against them ) and they claim only they have right to differ in views;

3) their stupidity and lies they spread are our advantage - I discovered almost every wannabe "commie" can be defeated in comment exchange on the condition you use appropriate argumentation.

From my experience, I can recommend you couple of arguments they barely refute:

- accuse them of being hypocrites: many of them hide comments in their galleries, like here [link] - ask them, how can they limit freedom of speech by hiding comments and claim they support equality with the freedom of speech ( for 99% they'll get mad );

- demand them to prove their idiotic views about their beloved regime - if they try defending themselves ( 50% chances ), reject their stances with proper counter-arguments;

- show them you consider their line of defence as illogical ( they barely stand more than 3 times );

- compare communism to Nazism ( this works also against the Neo-Nazis ).

Should you need help in dealing with the red infestation here, ask me. I'll only say they started blocking me, because they're incapable of defending their Marxism. ;)
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you read Chinese? please read the first post and do some research before you disgrace an army who secufice more than 3211914 soldiers and officers(not including Air Force and Navy) to save our great Chinese people.
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Lord-Vanaduke Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I AM Chinese. Mainlander. TBH, the communist militia did most of the work against the Japanese in the later stages. the Nationalists held up the brunt of the assault when it first started in 1937, but in the end it was Mao's forces who did the dirty work.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can you show some prove? any battle during 1944-45 which involve the Communist milita?

I know that CCP Milita did had 2 major battle during the WWII. but accourding to the Japanese imperial army report, the damage and losses was not too big.
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tuomaskoivurinne Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2009   Traditional Artist
Great take on a figure that's not that well-known in the West. Great work!
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you!
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57Drawinc Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009   Traditional Artist
I recently surfed on a forum page regarding Chiang Kai-Shek's son who was trained and served in the German Officer Corp.
Apparently in the early part of the Blitzkreig operations, he was in command of a Wehrmacht Unit until he was called back to serve in the Nationalist Army. He also earned his 'Edelweiss'/Gebirgsjager emblem as a Mountain Troop (an elite unit).
Kind of explains the mixed in German equipment of the National Chinese Troops.
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2009
The person you spoke of is General Chiang Wei-kuo. An adoptive son (kinda like "god-father" or whatever) to Chiang Kai-shek.

Some info regarding the relationship between Germany and Republic of China. And why we have German equipments such as the helms and Kar98k (Chinese variant)
[link])

Here's some info regarding to Chiang Wei-kuo.
[link]

On the other hand, you might find my self-portrait interesting. [link]
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57Drawinc Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2009   Traditional Artist
Hey Deerock!

Been a while! Thanks for the links.

DarthPandl sent me some of 'em.

Chinese variant Kar98k?? Cool to know!
hmmm, I wonder if they're making those new replicas I see in gun shops there?
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh yeah he is the a son of CHiang Kai-shek, he was a panzer officer:

[link]
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57Drawinc Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009   Traditional Artist
This is..Fascinating.
When I first came across this pic, I was flooded with mixed emotions of shock, confusion, envy (that uniform looks damned Sharp on an Asian - and to earn the Edelweiss..), and pride (Asian is part me).

Me thinks my dA name stays.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The WWII Chinese army uniform was heavy influence by the German Wehrmacht, later the war the uniform style look more and more like the Imperial Japanese Army.

While the troops in the Burma theater is British trained and equip.
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57Drawinc Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009   Traditional Artist
I know. :)

(Look forward to seeing that 'S' Class!)
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009
Hey Darth Panda. Glad you like my self-portrait and don't be shy dropping some message over there. You are always welcomed there.

Such tragedy that we needed to use these elite divisions in that bloody battle and got them pretty much annihilated in order to get the Imps (A nickname I came up with for so I don't need to use "Japs") fighting along the Yangtze River instead of coming from north in large numbers.

These German styled divisions gave the Imps (I think these maybe Japanese Marines) a lot of trouble in the first few weeks and almost drove them into ocean. Until they brought their big guns on the cruisers and battleships. Not to mention they also got Kaga and other carriers to support them with dive bombers. And we all know how advanced the Japanese were before and during full out WW2. Arrogant bastards like Stillwell had no idea what we or the Allies Marines were facing during the earlier days of WW2.

I really appreciate you didn't use "Nationalist" instead using the word "National" because the Army we speak of here are for all Chinese folks, not for a party or a particular interest group. Despite the fact it was founded by the Nationalist Party in the first place. Commie bastards and these little Green freaks (DPP) surely likes to accuse us for our national emblem.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the best responds is from the Imperial Japanese Army:

「支那派遣軍」總司令岡村寧次於一九三九年曾說:「看來敵軍抗日力量的中心不在於四億中國民眾,也不是以各類雜牌軍混合而成的二百萬軍隊,乃是以蔣介石為核心、以黃埔軍校青年軍官階層為主體的中央軍。在歷次會戰中,它不僅是主要的戰鬥原動力,同時還嚴厲監督着逐漸喪失戰鬥力意志而徘徊猶豫的地方雜牌軍,使之不致離去而步調一致,因此不可忽視其威力。黃埔軍校教育之徹底,由此可見……有此軍隊存在,要想和平解決事變,無異是緣木求魚」。

If you ask why KMT become so corrupt and lost China, that is because KMT lost her finest and the best people during the war.
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yu2673 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Can you translate the response please?
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DrunkardHu Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2009
Couldn't agree with you more. But I also like to add something too regarding to the corruption everyone b!tches about.

By the end of WW2, most of the major Chinese cities pretty much ended up like a bunch of Ground Zeroes. This means major economical problems and to make this worse. There were one million or more Japanese troops we need to send home. Afterall, we (Chinese Republic) are neither the Fascists like the Imps or Nazis nor Commies like Soviet or Mao's minions. We are moral enough not to punish these troopers as some arrogant victors.

Other than the need to rebuild infrastructures and sending troops of both sides home (oh! Let's not forget the refugees.), our economy was not build on solid ground due to the Commies spreading all over the countrysides during WW2. This means their activities such as "land-reforms" (土改,打地主;). Another word, we were like the Japanese in WW2, we have control over the Cities and surroundings, but Commies had messed up a lot of the countrysides which is the mainsource of economy (agriculture) after WW2. Since the economy is messed up, we had inflation and other craps. Let along "The Good Dies Young". Most of the finests among the Nationalist Party are KIAed in WW2, many of the survived are either scumbags or remnants of the warlords. Figures.

Seriously, I'd like to see these big mouthed wussies (who like to talk trash about the Nationalist Party and RoC) live through that kinda time (WW2, Culture Revolution...). Trust me, I made plenty enemies with talk like this, and I am damned proud of it.
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darthpandanl Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amen! brother!
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